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ROW BREWS OVER DUP CALL FOR SCHOOLS TO TEACH CREATIONISM

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Published Date: 20 September 2007
A DUP proposal that Lisburn Council should write to local secondary and grammar schools encouraging them to teach alternative theories to evolution is set to face stiff opposition when it is debated next week.
The Corporate Services Committee agreed to a proposal by the DUP's Paul Givan that they should contact all second level schools in the Lisburn City Council area "encouraging them to teach alternative theories to evolution as the origins of the eart
h, such as Creation and Intelligent Design."
Mr Givan said: "I have never believed in the theory of evolution and, like many people, believe in the teaching of creation. I believe science points to creation but our schools are teaching a very narrow remit and many exclude alternative theories to evolution. I have asked the Council to write to local schools encouraging them to give equality of treatment to other theories of the origins of life and how the earth came into existence."
However, other committee members voiced their objection to the proposal.
The committee's Vice Chairman, SDLP Councillor Peter O'Hagan, said: "I think it is a dangerous road to go down for Lisburn Council to be getting involved in school curriculum.
"It is up to the head teacher of the school to implement the curriculum."
Mr O'Hagan, a former primary school head, added: "Were I the principal of a school and I got a letter like that from Lisburn City Council I would throw it in the bin.
"I don't think it is any of our business."
Ulster Unionist Alderman Jim Dillon also spoke against the proposal.
"It is not something we should be meddling in as a Council" he said. "It is totally inappropriate. If I had been the Chairman of the Committee I would have ruled it out of order."
However, his party colleague and committee chairman, Councillor Bill Gardiner-Watson, said he saw no harm in writing to the schools.
But, he continued: "The council is not in a position to direct schools or individual teachers as to what they must teach. While there may be some sympathy with the motion, having been in education all my life, and having been deputy head of a high school, I can see great difficulty in trying to enforce something that might be contrary to the will of the staff.
"The council has a right to make suggestions but they cannot enforce this or insist on it or interfere with the running of the school."
Mr Givan's proposal will be brought before the full council at its monthly meeting on Tuesday night.
* The Department of Education for Northern Ireland stressed the teaching of alternative theories to evolution is a matter for individual schools.
A spokesperson said: "The revised curriculum offers scope for schools to explore alternative theories to evolution, which could include creationism, if they so wish.
"It is, however, a matter for individual schools, taking account of the needs and wishes of their pupils, parents and governors, to decide if they want to include the teaching of alternative theories."




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  • Last Updated: 20 September 2007 11:51 AM
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21/09/2007 23:02:11
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Bob Russell,

Winnipeg, Canada 21/09/2007 23:05:02
Paul Givan's statements concerning the teaching of creation and intellient design alongside that of the scientific theory of evolution through natural selection reveal him to be ignorant at best and an idiot at worst. Ireland will always be a backwater as long as the deluded pious pinheads (of all stripes) are allowed to go unchallenged by people of reason and intelligence. He may pollute the minds of children in the sunday schools he teaches but he has no business suggesting institutes of real education must do the same.
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whateverother,

ex-newtownabbey 22/09/2007 08:43:14
I'm glad Paul Givan has asked the council to do his writing for him in this case, it saves the usual waste of crayon. Lets hope he doesn't become personally unconvinced by the theory of gravity or germ theory or we could soon be teaching children to fly to school by jumping off buildings and save on NHS bills by praying to a big sky pixie. Teaching children to believe anything they are told based only on faith and with no evidence (or worse, against overwhelming evidence) is a BAD thing. If you ever doubt it look at the mess that Paul Girvan has made of a perfectly good mammal brain which probably once had the potential to think great thoughts and discover great truths, but got exposed at young age to the truth denying and intellect dissolving power of religion.
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Peter_Hillsborough,

Hillsborough 22/09/2007 10:18:19
Paul Givan has lost my support for the DUP in one deft stroke. I cannot vote for a party that allows its religious views to so easily influence its public policy. I am at least hopeful that the teachers of our schools will simply throw this motion into the rubbish where it belongs. Creationism has no basis in evidence and is simply a religious assertion.
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JoeU,

Winnipeg 23/09/2007 04:48:19
tommymato wrote: "Science concerns itself with that which is measurable, observable and requires evidence." In the Bible, Gods tells the various "kinds" of creatures He created to reproduce "according to their kinds". - (see Genesis 1 - http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=genesis1&version=31 We observe bacteria producing bacteria, dogs producing dogs, people producing people. One of numerous examples of how the Bible and observable science agree. Let our children have all the evidence, including evidence that is in accord with the Bible, not just censored evolution information.
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Lee Bowman,

US 23/09/2007 22:50:05
Tommymato wrote: “Teaching creationism might be ok for RE lessons, but it should not be taught in science classes.”
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